History Section - Family Trees
Mr Cooper’s second cousin, who lives in Solihull, has thrown some light on this mystery. By an extraordinarily set of coincidences he found a book in the local bookshop about the Solihull School during WW1. It contained details of Lieutenant Joseph Cecil Smith of the Royal Warwickshire Regiment, son of Mr and Mrs F J Smith of The Manor House, Solihull, Warwickshire who was killed on 28 July 1917, age 19, while flying with the 70th Squadron, RFC. He is remembered on the Arras Flying Service Memorial at Pas de Calais.
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Maggie Buchanan writes:
I'm researching the PAUL family in the 18th century when East Boldre was Bewley Rails and was part of the parish of Boldre. I'm working on a hunch that they were experts in brickmaking and bricklaying, and that they came to the area in 1725 because there was lots of work to be done building the cottages that now line Beaulieu High Street and Bucklers Hard. I've learned that Hatchet Pond was originally a marl pit in the 18th century. And I'm guessing the clay was being extracted to use in brickmaking. So where were the brickmaking kilns? Somewhere near Furzey Lane or Masseys Lane? I'd welcome any information about the earliest settlements in East Boldre, about brickmaking locally or about the PAUL family to modern times.
Dr James Horsfall, Chairman of the Boldre Parish Historical Society responded:
There were 2 main Brickworks in Boldre Parish in the 18th and 19th centuries. Firstly At the top of Brickfield Lane in Walhampton (Opposite the end of the Tollbridge Road. Secondly there was a large Brickworks at Pitts Deep. This was recorded in Comyns Notebook in 1817 so was there before that and probably supplied a large area. It was part of the Pylewell Estate and covered 5 acres and consisted of a house and brickyard. One house was alleged to be a Pub which would explain how important the yard was. In 1881 it manufactured 160,200 bricks and 24,425 pipes. Parts of of a Kiln, dilapidated and overgrown still survive as does evidence of clay pits. There were probably a lot of much smaller brickworks in the parish / near ponds i.e. Setley and Hatchett.
Caroline Birch, Chairman of Lymington and District Historical Society writes:
I thought Setley Pond was a gravel extraction pit of the 20th C, not clay? But above Setley Pond is 'marl pit oak ' cross roads.
I also understand the 'real' Setley Pond is in Roydon Woods, fairly accessible from a side path.
Jude James, a local historian writes:
The Paul family is recorded in some detail in Comyn's New Forest, edited by Jude James (1982), particularly concentrated in Pilley (part of Boldre). However, none is recorded as a brickmaker. There were a number of brickworks in the area James Horsfall has identified two. What is now Hatchet Pond was, prior to about 1795, a series of flooded marl pits of which there are a great many in the area, several survive, heavily overgrown right opposite the pond. These may have provided clay for brickmaking but there were no brickworks or kilns near by. They certainly supplied clay cob for house and barn building (see my East Boldre: A New Forest Squatters' Settlement 1700-1900 (1994) in which much of this is described. The marl was also used to put 'body' into the rather poor sandy heathland soils. I suspect the bricks used in building Bucklers Hard and Beaulieu were mainly produced at the large brickworks, Baileys Hard, on the southern edge of the village (it functioned into the 1920s and parts of remain). In 1817 William Paul, a sieve maker, lived in North Sway (then in Boldre parish) and the lane running west from his house is still called Paul's Lane (see Comyn). Massy's Lane is a relatively recent name for what for what for a century and half was known as Factory Lane as there was a rope factory sited at the western end of the lane. Rollo Dinham Dillon Massy (b.1856) (his name is often misspelled as Massey), became a prominent figure in local life from about 1890 and had his home at the end of Factory Lane, hence the 'modern' name.
I think Caroline Birch has answered your queries about Setley Pond.
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David Mason writes:
My wife and I are researching her family tree, but have run into a major problem. We are hoping someone local may be able to help her. Her Grand Mother (an East Boldre local) Lily Parker born 1885 married an Albert Marshall born 1879. They where married in the East Boldre church on the 13th of April 1913. Albert Marshall died in October 1917 whilst serving on the H.M.S. Begonia. The ship is believed to have been sunk with no survivors. The East Boldre war memorial mentions him but does have his date of death wrong. The problem though is their son was born on 31st January 1919. (No father's name on Birth Certificate), but we have been told that Lily was very friendly with American personnel at the airfield. For American this could possibly be Canadians. Is there anyone who may have any records which could help my wife find out who her real Grand Father is.
If it helps Lily's parents where a Bradford Parker (a blacksmith) and Louisa E. Parker
If you can help, please contact the website and we will put you in touch with David.
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Jon Willis writes:
I am researching my family history and have traced my family records back to East Boldre/ Beaulieu Rails from around 1810 to 1690. The family were also linked to the Thorne, Langtree,Dolery & Elliot.
I would be most grateful for any information or links to my family tree from local residents or distant relations.
I have recently visited St Pauls Church and located a distance cousin 'Susanna Jane Willis' who is buried in the far rear grave yard.
I look forward to hearing from anybody with a similar interest or link to my family.
Look forward to hearing from you
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Can you help Julia & Keld Smedegaard who are seeking information. They ask:
We are researching Russian emigration to England and at the moment we are trying to locate the burial place of Tait [née Wardropper; other married name Simpson], Sylvia Agnes Sophia (8.01.1917-28.02.2003), biochemist and endocrinologist. She was born in Russia and her mother Ludmilla was Russian.
We read that Sylvia used to live in East Boldre and were wondering if she (and even her mother) could be buried there.
Can you help to locate members of local families?
Being of the old school, Lawrence Cooper of Winchester put pen to paper, enclosing these photos, and asked if we have any information about the uniform or the airman. Lawrence thinks his name might be Cecil Smith and related to his late mother. The lady in the photograph might be his wife and they might originate from Solihull. Can anyone help?
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